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Default headers for association football tournament pages

Hi. It would be helpful to create consensus and default rules about football tournament pages. Please respond on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Best regards PeruvianCocaine (talk) 09:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the notice. I very rarely edit football tournament pages so this question doesn't interest me enough, to be honest. Going forward, you don't need to alert me about discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football as I follow the page. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 09:34, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hey, ok no problem. Thanks for replying anyway. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 13:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

About reverting edit at Taulant Seferi article

Hi, i saw you reverted my edit Albanian nationaloty at Taulant Seferi article, i add Albania becouse i follow logically line, as long as he is Albanian native, born in Albanians native community of Presheva, and as long as he represent Albanian Football National Team. Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:41, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi Lanceloth345, thanks for reaching out. His nationality is ambiguous because he was born in what was Macedonia at the time while he plays for the Albania national team. To indicate this we use "born in x, he plays for y" while not specifying a nationality. This convention is the result of past discussions of the community of football editors at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 09:50, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah i see but as long as per official websites like Albanian Football Federation,and main news outlet in my opinion better will be Albanian-Macedonian as logicaly nationalities. Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Could you rephrase that sentence? I don't understand it. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Main news outlets in Albania and Albania Football Association states that Taulant Seferi has dual nationaloty and almost all news about him mention this as example : Taulant Seferi shqiptaro-maqedonasi, which means : Taulant Seferi Albanian-Macedonian this i refer. Lanceloth345 (talk) 10:05, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you're saying we should use the phrasing "is an Albanian-Macedonian footballer". The phrasing I mentioned above is current WP:consensus. If you disagree with the convention, you can start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:08, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Exately ok thank you for guiding and informations. Lanceloth345 (talk) 10:11, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 10:12, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Vialli

Restored my version. Please, see talk of the voice. Best wishes,

PLitta PLitta (talk) 14:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the heads-up. Robby.is.on (talk) 15:20, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

External links

Hi there,

What's your concern exactly please?

Thanks for any helpful info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.216.223.60 (talk) 14:39, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Please have a look at WP:EL. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 14:41, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Instead of edit-warring based on misguided assumptions such as "I can add every database profile I can find that has a Wikipedia template", please discuss. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Note

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selangor_F.C._Under-23&diff=prev&oldid=1299107662

if can help by reverting this, i ask multiple experienced users and keep reporting, person with bad grammar/writing/sources knowledge 93.143.164.17 (talk) 13:12, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LepYd258

highly possible sock 93.143.164.17 (talk) 13:13, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Sources for statistics in women's football

Hi Robby.is.on, Thank you for your recent edits on Ria Bose. Only 300 edits in, I am still very new to editing on Wikipedia, so thanks for your help. I noticed that you removed some of the sources I used in regards to the statistics behind Ria's appearance(s) for Sporting, do you know of any good/reliable sources for statistics in women's football...and more specifically, European women's football, like in Ria's case? Many Thanks, MessiIsMyBezzie (talk) 14:51, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

@MessiIsMyBezzie: Hi and welcome. Thanks for your kind message. To be honest, I've only recently started to try and edit female footballers more so I have less experience in that area than I'd like to have.

In the article body, we usually want to rely on newspaper articles more than on databases so perhaps there's an article covering Bose's debut in the Portuguese league?

For the stats table: Generally, worldfootball.net and Soccerway are two of the most used football statistics database websites on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, while both websites have profiles for Bose – worldfootball.net, Soccerway – neither seem to cover the Campeonato Nacional Feminino. Having looked around a little, I haven't been able to find a stats website which a) does cover the Campeonato Nacional Feminino and b) we consider reliable.

I think my best suggestion is to enquire at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Other editors may well know more than I do. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 15:22, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the highly detailed (and useful!) response. I have had a further look around for a reliable statistics site, which has been fruitless. However I did find a tweet from @FutFemSCP confirming that Bose did come on as a substitute in that game, which made me think to check their website (why I hadn't thought to do that earlier I am not sure), and sure enough I found a match report confirming that she did indeed make her debut in that game. One question I have never had the opportunity to ask regarding this topic is whether you are allowed to use sources that aren't in English? Sometimes (like in this case) non-English articles can be the only reliable source of information so I wondered whether a foreign-language article is better than using no source at all. Again, many thanks for your help with this, Kind regards, MessiIsMyBezzie (talk) 16:30, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome. I found a match report […]. Well done! whether you are allowed to use sources that aren't in English?, whether a foreign-language article is better than using no source at all Yes, absolutely. Non-English sources are fine. Robby.is.on (talk) 16:37, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

"Yes, absolutely. Non-English sources are fine." Cool! Thanks for your help. MessiIsMyBezzie (talk) 17:55, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

How do I do the green quoting text? I presumed you would have to use the quote marks but it seems I was wrong! MessiIsMyBezzie (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

I use Template:Talk quote inline. {{tq|text}} gives text. Robby.is.on (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

{{tq|I use Template:Talk quote inline}} Hopefully it works this time haha! Thanks again. MessiIsMyBezzie (talk) 19:17, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

If you leave out the "nowiki", it'll work. I used that so the code would display. Robby.is.on (talk) 19:26, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

I used that so the code would display...the issue was me using visual mode! Now that I have a preview I can see that it has worked - third time is the charm. MessiIsMyBezzie (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, I thought it might be the visual editor getting in the way. Good thing you figured it out. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Die Linke

Hey! I saw you reverted my edit. I think the page needs a lot of work still, but the sources in the article say "far-left" at the moment. Oxford uses "far-left to left-wing" irrc but need to find the page. Will do so in the next few days. SickNWristed (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @SickNWristed:. Make sure you discuss changes you want to make on the article's Talk page. The current wordings are the result of extensive discussions. Robby.is.on (talk) 13:06, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

I just wrote on its talk. Appears to be more of a "lack of consensus to change at tbe time" rather than a consensus. Both AfD (I fixed this a few weeks ago) and Die Linke are portrayed as much less radical than how academic sources describe them. "Far-left Die Linke" v. "Left-wing Die Linke" shows that far-left or radical left is overwhelmingly more common as a description by academics.

Brought it up by there. SickNWristed (talk) 13:18, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Convention pertaining to match scores

Thank you so much for the clarification pertaining to match scores and larger & smaller numbers. Best regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.14.36 (talk) 22:55, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 22:58, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

Oh, and many thanks regarding the advice provided when it comes to the formatting and the standard layout suitable for displaying the international goals scored by footballers! Cheers!

ITN recognition for Moustapha Sall

On 6 September 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Moustapha Sall, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Curbon7 (talk) 22:07, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

Don't wish to engage in an edit war :)

Hello Robby.is.on,

I notice that you reverted my revert of your edit on the article for Larry Bagnell. There have been many discussions on several other pages where a concensus has been reached whereby "Canadian politician" should be considered a noun cluster and, therefore, there is no confusion in calling someone a "former Canadian politician," as no one would normally thing that "former" is a modifier of "Canadian" only. If someone were to give up their citizenship and no longer be Canadian, I think we could have a different wording, as I doubt we would refer to them as a "former Canadian," although I can't think right now what that wording would be. Maybe ex-Canadian?

Anyway, I didn't revert your revert so as not to engage in a meaningless edit war, choosing instead to leave you this note so that you would know that my revert wasn't done on a whim. :) MauriceYMichaud (talk) 11:20, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi Maurice, thanks for reaching out. I'm only responding now even though I have been making edits to articles as one of the reasons I edit Wikipedia is to relax and settling conflicts obviously gets in the way of that.

Two comments:

1. It does seem that "xian former polician" is much more commonly used than "former xian politician".
2. there is no confusion in calling someone a "former Canadian politician" If we were to assume that is universally true, what is the advantage of "former Canadian politician" over "Canadian former politician"?

Robby.is.on (talk) 11:29, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Removing sources from List of one-club men in association football

Hi Robby.is.on, I saw you added a lot of CN templates to List of one-club men in association football. I am well aware that Footballdatabase or Transfermarkt are not ideal, but I wonder what the alternatives actually are here?

Picking Raphaël Delvigne as an example: this player spent his entire career between French third and fourth levels. FootballDatabase provides a clear overview of his career with almost accurate statistics (maybe 1 game off somewhere), however, it is in WP:WPFLINKSNO. The recommended source for France in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Links#France is https://www.foot-national.com/, which does have a profile of Raphaël Delvigne, but the data there is clearly worse. First of all, it has a link for members to update the file with a mention that players can update their assists themselves (!). Secondly, the data is of extremely bad quality: it has only one match played in 2022-23 (a random mid-season fixture probably submitted by the opponent) and no newer games, while it's pretty obvious Delvigne keeps playing. Most other sources do not have exhaustive coverage: FBref knows only about his cup games, worldfootball.net does not have records before 2019 so the first half of his career is missing. Soccerway used to be fine, but then Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_ Football/Archive_ 170#Soccerway replacement happened. I am very happy to use better sources but do you have ideas where to find them please? Would it be a good idea to use partially reliable sources (e.g. to cite Foot National saying that the numbers for recent years are wrong and those from worldfootball.net should be used instead).

I also wonder what is better: to have no sources at all (like all those North Korean footballers on the list) or have a not ideal source - the former alerts readers now and might get deleted while North Koreans look fine. Sorry for the rant, but I spent hours trying to verify information on this list and found it extremely difficult for the leagues outside Big 5, and the issue is that rows that got CN's are not the ones I have most doubt about... — NickK (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi NickK, if there are no reliable sources covering a player's career, it is probably not notable. If a player's career isn't notable, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Robby.is.on (talk) 00:36, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Not all footballers in List of one-club men in association football have blue links, and it is not a requirement that each and every of them is individually notable. It is relatively easy to find sources confirming the mere fact that player A is a one-club man, it is quite hard to find a source for an up-to-date number of specifically league games he played until today. Also sources vary a lot from one league to another: e.g. there is a good national database in Faroe Islands (but poor coverage on Footballdatabase or Transfermarkt), while there is no good database in France (where, on the other hand, Footballdatabase and Transfermarkt are good). However, it would be wrong to deduce that lower-league players from Faroe Islands are more notable than French pros or semi-pros. In addition, we never require all numbers in an infobox to come from one single source, why do we put higher requirements here? — NickK (talk) 21:02, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

it is not a requirement that each and every of them is individually notable I don't know about that. But in any case, it is also not a requirement to list every one-club player that exists – rather, we shouldn't. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: "Wikipedia is not the place to add indiscriminate information" and WP:NOTSTATS.

I'm being more curt than I like to be and I'd like to be appreciative of you spending hours trying to verify information but I am annoyed that you insisted on using deprecated sources even though you knew not to. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

It's a wiki and it can always be improved. There is no one single list of one club-men, rather multiple lists of one club-men and multiple sources for individual players that they are one-club men. This list clearly meets the requirements of WP:NOTSTATS: it's a table with explanations, stats are their to make entries comparable, not unexplained numbers confusing readers. I would really like to use non-deprecated sources, but somehow a deprecated Footballdatabase is more accurate for France than non-deprecated Foot National: as a reader I would prefer a potentially slightly off figure for Delvigne from Footballdatabase (maybe he played not 231 but 230 or 232 games, but it gives a good idea) over an obviously misleading figure from Foot National (claiming he played 163 games, while there are multiple seasons completely missing) — NickK (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Foot National isn't listed as a source not to be used (yet) but it likely just hasn't been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard the way the deprecated sources have been. In my editing of French footballer articles I haven't found it very useful either and I avoid it. You could search the archives at both RS/N and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football to check whether Foot National's reliability has been discussed.

I would really like to use non-deprecated sources, but […] Whatever you do, just please don't use deprecated sources. It wastes your time and it wastes the time of those trying to rid Wikipedia of poor sources. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Neeskens was NOT Jewish

Why are you persistent in spreading this nonsense about Neeskens being a jew? What on earth are you talking about? There was absolutely nothing Jewish about him, not even half Jewish. 2001:1C07:50E:1000:62:1F8A:742:26BA (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Do I trust The Times more or a random Wikipedia editor with a strong opinion? Definitely the former. You are not a reliable source. Bring a reliable source, or preferably multiple sources, that contradict The Times. Robby.is.on (talk) 17:59, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

My friend, first of all, that editor (Anthony Clavane) of The Times is a crackpot who wrote an absurd article, so it is not a reliable source at all. Secondly, it is common knowledge in the Netherlands that the only two Dutch-Jewish players (who could play decent football) were Bennie Muller and Sjaak Swart (who is strictly speaking half Jewish) from Ajax (Daniel de Ridder doesn't count, he always was a mediocre player). So stop spreading this nonsense about Neeskens being a jew, because he simply wasn't, you're making a fool out of yourself. 2001:1C07:50E:1000:F0A1:2E9B:2EC:E945 (talk) 09:52, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

[Anthony Clavane] of The Times is a crackpot who wrote an absurd article. Again, that is an assertion you make without evidence, nothing more. Wikipedia considers that newspaper reliable; see WP:THETIMES .

it is common knowledge […] If this information is commonly known as you claim, there should be reliable sources to back it up. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

So, if it's written in The Times, then it's true? I'm sorry, but this is absurd. Wikipedia claims to be an encyclopedia. Which means it's based upon scientific sources (i.e. peer reviewed sources), not newspaper articles, and certainly not gossip articles written by some muppet who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

Do you realize the absurdity, that anyone can write the biggest nonsense about people - without reliable sources to back it up - then put it on Wikipedia, and people will consider it the truth. The situation is now that the people who do actually know the facts, can go all the way to the library to look up Neeskens authorized biography and prove the contrary. It's really tiresome and insane! 2001:1C07:50E:1000:20B5:57DE:60C2:4F44 (talk) 11:58, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

By the way, the article is full of nonsense. It also claims that John Neeskens is not his son, which is not true. John Neeskens ís Johan Neeskens' son, only Johan didn't recognize him because he didn't want to pay the alimony. 2001:1C07:50E:1000:20B5:57DE:60C2:4F44 (talk) 12:01, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Do you realise the absurdity of an IP editor on Wikipedia saying "trust me, bro" and expecting another Wikipedia editor to take their word over that of a source that is categorised as "generally reliable" on Wikipedia because it has a good record of reliability? it's based upon scientific sources (i.e. peer reviewed sources)) For science-based articles certainly. You'll have a hard time finding peer-reviewed sources for sportspeople. gossip articles The Times isn't known for gossip. It's not exactly Hello! (magazine).

John Neeskens ís Johan Neeskens' son, only Johan didn't recognize him because he didn't want to pay the alimony. Robby.is.on (talk) 12:08, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Not if the source of your apparently not so reliable The Times, is also coming down to "trust me, bro". I've read somewhere else that Johan Neeskens is the greatest Jewish football player of all time! Can you believe it? The greatest Jewish football player of all time is not Jewish. I'm laughing my ass off over here.

Can I ask you something: if this is so important for you, why don't you go to the library and find the authorized biography of Neeskens and use that as a source, instead of this nonsense article from gossippaper the Times. If you insist on proper sources, then a proper sources, i.e. his biography. 2001:1C07:50E:1000:20B5:57DE:60C2:4F44 (talk) 12:19, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

why don't you go to the library and find the authorized biography of Neeskens and use that as a source, instead of this nonsense article from gossippaper the Times. If you insist on proper sources, then a proper sources, i.e. his biography. Right now, the burden of proof lies with you. You removed content sourced to The Times, a newspaper Wikipedia considers reliable and your negative opinion of the newspaper does not overweigh the community's consensus at WP:RSP.

I saw your recent change to Johan Neeskens where you changed "John Neeskens […] was incorrectly assumed to be his son" to "John Neeskens […] was his son from an extramarital affair". Johan Neeskens apparently refuted that John Neeskens was his son on his website: https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/Neeskens-verschaft-duidelijkheid-over-nageslacht.htm. So is Johan Neeskens' website a proper source or not? Robby.is.on (talk) 21:36, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

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For anyone reading, I don't know which of the clubs it is. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:05, 4 October 2025 (UTC)